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  • HyperHam 10:54 am on February 23, 2012 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: belief systems, , , religion,   

    Love the Sinner, Hate the Sin 

    The Mormons are at it again, baptising Jews from the Holocaust, most notably this past Saturday, when Anne Frank was posthumously given the chance to join Mormonism in the afterlife. While the Mormon heirarchy has once again blamed ‘overzealous’ church underlings, the Jewish community has just about had it with their shenanigans, as well they should – the Mormons vowed in both 1995 and 2010 to stop this practice on Holocaust survivors. Anne herself has allegedly been baptized a few times now, and I assume had it rescinded every time the Mormons were caught out. One would have thought they would have employed a ‘no backsies’ approach to the baptism or rescinding, but that’s just me. Now some may say that if you don’t believe in the baptism, you shouldn’t mind if it happens to people long dead, but for me it’s not the actual act that bothers me – it’s the sentiment behind it.

    I have a real issue with religion lately. I think of course before I begin that I should define religion and faith. Faith is inspired by God, and is therefore pure. Religion is created by man, and is therefore is sullied and pompous. The Pope, a guy who was born a regular bloke, is by the decision of a bunch of cardinals and a plume of smoke, now considered to be infallible – the new Christ. Evangelicals consider themselves ‘higher’ than others (including other religions), which is why they HAVE to go to all corners of the world to preach the Good News – they are called by God to convert everyone to their way, the correct way, of thinking. And Mormons, believing all other belief systems to be invalid, have no problem baptising the dead, as they see it as the only way to give their poor souls a chance to convert to the “true” Mormon religion. It’s not even about God anymore, it’s a pissing contest between men.

    We have an enormous amount of beliefs/religions in our neighborhood – off the top of my head I can think Muslim, Sikh, Catholic, Church of England, general Protestant, athiest, agnostic, and Hindu. Baby Alex will be taught that all people of all faiths have the potential for good, and should be treated with equal respect. But I find it very difficult to apply that same principle to the leaders of the religions. For instance, I have, by virtue of going to a Catholic school for 12 years, many devout Catholic friends. One of my dear friends, M, is actually studying to become a Benedictine monk, one of the most stringent sects of Catholicism. I adore him; I hate his boss. But when the heads of the Catholic church gets caught with their hands in the Vatican bank, or shuffles paedophile priests from parish to parish, I cannot place those sins on M. He’s just trying to love his God the best he can.

    When I meet a Mormon, I don’t scream STOP BAPTISING DEAD JEWS, just as I wouldn’t scream TERRORIST to a random Muslim person. And yet, that’s what religions attempt to do – lambast the other with transgressions while conveniently forgetting their own. I once actually had an American schoolmate parrot to me the old Fox News line: “Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslim.” Considering I now live in a country that for 25 years was held in fear by the Irish Republican Army, a group of white Catholic terrorists, and she herself was a white Catholic with apparently no clue what happened outside her own little world, I found that both exceedingly funny and stomach-churningly sad. The self-enforced ignorance of the atrocities of one’s own belief system is a baffling concept to me. It’s one thing to say “I know that the head of my belief system has historically done some really shitty stuff, but I will work every day to pull my faith out of it’s shame through my good works”. It’s quite another to stick your fingers in your ears and yell “LALALALA I CAN’T HEAR YOU, EVERYONE IS WRONG AND WE ARE RIGHT!”. The old speck of dust/plank of wood in the ol’ eyeball story comes to mind.

    I’ve said before that if Alex decides to convert to a different faith, as long as he is respecting others and doing good in the world, I will be okay with it. I know that might seem ridiculous to some, but I’d rather him love his fellow man as an atheist than fall into a religion that pushed hierarchy over selflessness. I want to raise a good kid, not a good Catholic/Lutheran/Evangelical/Druid/Jew/and on and on and on.

    • Dale 4:53 pm on February 23, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      I really enjoyed reading this post. Don't know if Andy ever said (or even if he knows) but I am a Mormon, and the heading, Love The sinner Hate the sin, is the creed that I and my wife try to live by. Too often I've seen members of my Church "look down" on others because they are not living in a way members think they should. Everybody really does have free will, and I will start judging people when I myself am perfect, which I can tell you, will take much longer than next thursday. I am a true an honest believer that if we stop worrying about what others are doing, and try to become a better person ourselves, then most of the problems the planet have will go away all by themselves.

      • HyperHam 5:31 pm on February 23, 2012 Permalink | Reply

        Thanks Dale! As I said, it would be idiotic of me to be mad at all Mormons for the actions of the few, just as with my Muslim neighbors or Catholic friend. It just kills me what the people in charge try to get away with in the name of 'their' way of doing things. They tend to forget that man has been around a few million years, and there is no perfect way of doing anything.

        Be good, don't suck, help others, the rest will fall in place.

      • HyperHam 1:42 pm on February 25, 2012 Permalink | Reply

        Dale, I have a question. As a non-Mormon, I do not have access to the LDS records, but I know Mormons do. Is there any way I can give you my family's name and you can see if they are listed as Mormon or not? I have tried contacting LDS (via mormon.org), to no avail. Thanks.

  • HyperHam 9:24 pm on January 14, 2012 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: AJ St.Angelo, Alexandra Vachon, Alyssa Pingitore, Amanda Aldridge, Caleb McDevitt, Carys Morgan, Chris Lawton, Dante Smith, Destiny Marcello, Donna Higgins, Elijah Kilbane, Eric Rosa, , Gabriella Cimarelli, Gabriella Zaccaria, Jenn Gould, Joseph Vezina, Kam Sadiq, Matt Starchild, Michael Martin Jr, Mike Oxbig, religion, Ryan A Simoneau, Sydney Magner, Taylor Crocker, Wes Wyatt   

    Lord of the Flies 

    In addition to being a multiracial family, we are also a multi-faith family. Baby was christened in a Lutheran ceremony, but still says goodnight to the household gods before bed. We (Monkey and I) are both very open and accepting of others’ faiths (or lack of), and so this works for us. It works so well that when I am presented with people not like us (eg, nutters), it is a bit of a shock.

    In Cranston, Rhode Island, a 16 year old atheist took exception to the wall hanging in her school which had a prayer. Now, anyone with an 8th grade understanding of civics knows why this is unconstitutional, and it was eventually taken down. However, some ‘Christians’ of the school and community took offense, and decided to ruin her life. Here is the link to most of the screengrabs before the little cowards went private. Below, in plain text, are the words that these feral little monsters used in describing 16 year old Jessica Ahlquist and the case. (And of course, all spelling, punctuation, and syntax mistakes are theirs, not mine).

    Jenn Gould: I hope people start complaining about this one particular person and how ugly they are, maybe they can get them removed.

    Matt Starchild: May that little, evil, atheist teenage girl and that judge BURN IN HELL!

    Donna Higgins: Well, I want the immediate removal of all atheist from the school, how about that?

    Amanda Aldridge: she just destroyed a piece of cranston west’s history. hope you’re happy #stupidbitch

    @MichaelRebl_ (Michael Martin Jr): to the girl who had the prayer taken off at cranston west – why the fuck does it matter? its basically history. just don’t look at it. #bitch

    Elijah Kilbane: If this banner comes down, hell I hope the school burns down with it!


    @Margaret538: U little brainless idiot, hope u will be punished, you have not win sh..t! Stupid little brainless skunk!

    @Crotchsnot (Mike Oxbig): How does it feel to be the most hated person in RI right now? Your a puke and disgrace to the human race.

    Destiny Marcello: This girl must be so unloved to get negative attention from everyone. Yeah everyone talks about you because you’re psycho @Ry_Simoneau: “But for real somebody should jump this girl” lmao let’s do it! hmm jess is in my bio class, she’s gonna get some shit thrown at her.

    @Ry_Simoneau (Ryan A Simoneau): But for real somebody should jump this girl I want to punch the girl in the face that made west take down the school prayer… #Honestly

    Joseph Vezina: I hope there’s lots of banners in hell when your rotting in there you atheist fuck #TeamJesus (this tweet was also promoted by @REK Rachel Knight)

    Sydney Magner: Honestly I think the juniors are most mad about the banner thing because all of us actually know the psycho bitch. literally that girl is insane. and the best part is she already transferred schools because shes knows someone will jump her #ahaha

    Taylor Crocker: shes not human shes garbage (to jessica) youre wrong the state had no choice like i hope you go to hell i honestly do youre a shitty person omg she almost as bad as blacks everyone is going to beat you up now prob gods going to fuck your ass with that banner scumbag

    @xxx_carys (C. Morgan): When I take over the world I’m going to do a holocaust on all the atheists

    @Gab_Zacccaria (Gabriella Zaccaria): I think everyone should just fight this girl

    @zachthedogg: Fuck Jessica alquist I’ll drop anchor on her face

    Caleb McDevitt: definelty laying it down on this athiest tommorow anyone else? im sabotaging her site on fb lets just say its going to be nuts you need in on dat dawg?

    Alyssa Pingitore: Jessica Ahlquist may have won her case, but she is going straight to hell. #Godoveranything

    AJ St.Angelo: Let’s all jump the girl who did that banner #fuckthatho lol what a little bitch I wanna snuff her lol I wanna stick that bitch lol brb ima go drown that atheist in holy water We can make so many jokes about this dumb bitch, but who cares #thatbitchisgoingtohell and Satan is gonna rape her.

    Dante Smith: hail Mary full of grace jessica is gonna get punched in the face

    @zombiecamera: your home address posted online i cant wait to hear about you getting curb stomped you fucking worthless cunt

    Eric Rosa: wen the atheist dies, they believe they will become a tree. so we shld chop her down, turn her into paper then PRINT THE BIBLE ON HER. nail her to a cross

    Gabriella Cimarelli: yeah well she’s definitely got it coming to her

    Alexandra Vachon: if I wasn’t 18 and wouldn’t go to jail I’d beat the shit out of her idk how she got away with not being beat up yet this girl honestly needs to be punched in the face #justsaying whoever the bitch is that is continuing to fight for the school prayer at west to come down deserves to be punched in the mouth #tobadim18

    Chris Lawton: i’ve decided that i’m going to eat her family

    Kam Sadiq: LMAO everyone’s harassing her, but then again whose she gonna report it too? West? Lmao the administrators probably hate her haha

    (Editor’s note: If you have any screengrabs, please feel free to put them on dropbox, flickr, etc, and send me a link, and I’ll add them on this wall of shame.)

    So, to Kam Sadiq, Chris Lawton, Alexandra Vachon, Gabriella Cimarelli, Eric Rosa, Dante Smith, AJ St.Angelo, Alyssa Pingitore, Caleb McDevitt, Gabriella Zaccaria, Carys Morgan, Taylor Crocker, Sydney Magner, Joseph Vezina, Ryan A Simoneau, Destiny Marcello, Mike Oxbig, Wes Wyatt, Elijah Kilbane, Michael Martin Jr, Amanda Aldridge, Donna Higgins, Matt Starchild, and Jenn Gould:

    For those of you who hate Jessica because her belief system is different that yours – I’m unsure if your priest/pastor/vicar/rabbi/holyman/etc ever filled you in on what Jesus said about those with different beliefs, but he was actually fine with different faiths. So, while you think you may be standing up for Christianity, you are actually a blight on the very concept of love and acceptance. Frankly, if losing a 50 year old banner (while ignoring the 250 year old document that forbids it in the first place) somehow ruins your faith, might I suggest your faith is pretty damned weak.

    And for those of you who hate that your school has lost part of its charm from a banner coming down – based on your massive spelling mistakes, I would recommend you spend a little more time in your wonderful institution learning English and the 1st Amendment, and less tweeting and facebooking. In either case, your parents obviously failed spectacularly in raising you to be decent human beings, so now the Internet will have to take over. Your names and words will be indexed on search engines, and the next time a job recruiter or admissions officer from your dream college Googles you, they will find your hatred and vitriol. They will see exactly how much of a feral animal you are, and they will (God willing) run in the other direction. Because society didn’t teach you to be a decent human being, the rest of us will show you that your actions have consequences.

    And a special slow clap for the parents of these creatures: I’m not sure where you were when your kids were raising themselves “Lord of the Flies” style, but WELL DONE on raising your little sociopaths. Truly. Fantastic job.

    Our son may grow up and decide to become Protestant, the faith I was raised in. He may decide to follow the path of his father’s ancestors. He may become pagan. He may become an atheist. As long as he doesn’t use his belief system as an excuse to bully, belittle, threaten, or harm another person, have at it.

    Until then, we’ll always have Google.

    • Mosh 11:08 pm on January 14, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Would you mind if I re-posted this on my blog to help spread the names? Full credit and backlink, obviously.

      • HyperHam 11:25 pm on January 14, 2012 Permalink | Reply

        Of course, pass on the love. I do like how many of the names are already getting 1st page Google from this post. Let the little fuckers see how the real world views their idiocy.

    • antonahill 11:36 pm on January 15, 2012 Permalink | Reply


      Nice post. I'm not confident in your assessment of what the alleged Jesus allegedly said. Remember that we have quotes such as (I paraphrase), "I came not to bring peace, but a sword." We also have his endorsement of the Old Testament, which had such gems as, "The fool says in his heart, there is no God." I'd hardly call that preaching a respect for other faiths (or lack thereof).

      • Oliver 1:47 pm on January 16, 2012 Permalink | Reply

        Fortunately the United States is not a Christian theocracy (yet) and so Jesus' views are ultimately irrelevant in matters of threats, intimidation and hate speech.

    • Chris Squire 3:48 am on January 23, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Well done.

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